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The Ever Expanding OOC "About Joker" Post & FAQ!

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Joker is psychotic. Make no mistake, he can be civil if he wants to be - and as a lot of characters have seen, he does know that he's pushing lines (Azula I'm looking at you) - but when it comes down to it, he's got absolutely no remorse. He will willingly and happily fuck you over if he feels like it, so be careful.

Truths and Lies

One thing the Joker does is keep his promises. If he says that he's given you the detonator to your best friend's car, and if you don't blow him up he'll shoot you, chances are he has. He might throw in little twists here and there, but generally he's actually truthful about these kinds of things.

Joker will tell all sorts of lies about himself - from how he's feeling at the moment to how he got his scars (I'm not gonna make any offer towards which one of the many stories he'll tell is true, so shush XD). Chances are, the only time you can be sure that he's telling the truth is when he balks at what you say. :3

Love, Hate, Relationships and that kinda crap

You maaaaay have noticed that Joker sometimes, uh, hits on you. Alright, I'm here to help you through this traumatic moment.

First of all, Joker probably doesn't mean much by it. He just does things, without really thinking of the consequences. But, if you hit on him back, and eventually get somewhere he can get to you? You better watch out, 'cos he's like Santa, only more violent and with less presents.

Secondly, Joker is mostly straight. I say "mostly" because occasionally, guys will interest him in a psychological way, and if they're girly enough (Spike, Crane, that's you~), he'll probably be okay with it.

Joker also doesn't really hate specific people so much as detests people in general. Overall, he's certain that most of humanity is in denial, and as the only one with it, he has a mission in life to make everyone else realize it. So, while he might act nice to you - don't be fooled. Chances are, he thinks you're not anything special, and you're probably replacable.

So, feel free to have your character interact with Joker in any way - in Real Life situations, he's usually pretty responsive to getting hit on, and he can be very nice if he wants to be, but remember that it's mostly an act.

Physical Interactions

You've gotten this far - that's commendable! Anyway. Joker usually gets in to people's personal space. And by usually I mean all the fucking time. He's not against touching people, rubbing up against them, leaning in nice and close, even licking people's faces if he feels like it.

However, people touching him is a different story. He's not used to people touching him in any way that's not violent, and he's likely to react with violence in accordance. (This is only if you touch him without obviously flirting with him first - if you're hitting on him, he expects it.) This will range from him shoving you away to full on armed threats.

THE JOKER & YOU: AN OCCASIONALLY UP-TO-DATE RELATIONSHIP CHART
	LISA CUDDY: The Joker's always had a thing about dominating, leader-type women; namely, they kind of freak him out (in a Joker-like way). He doesn't have a fondness for them, in general. Cuddy is really no exception, except that he finds her attractive, and she's close with Azula, who he loves to harrass, so it's really no surprise that he takes it out on Cuddy from time to time. Considering she's actually in his age range and, you know, sane, this is probably the healthiest infatuation he's got. Which means it's terribly unhealthy and Cuddy should not let him alone with her for long.
	AZULA: Where to start? Azula is - to the Joker, at least - a spoiled, unrepenant example of how politics and power ruins people. Those are all qualities the Joker loathes, down to his fundamental core. Still, there's potential here for "growth", Joker-style. He thinks she's absolutely insane, and loves to rile her up just to see her snap or lash out. She's pretty much one of his favorite playthings; when he gets bored, he knows he can start a fight with her to blow off steam (so to speak). He's also more than a little attracted to her, young age or not. His tastes generally run higher in the age range, though, so at least there's that.
	SAMARA MORGAN: Oh, she's just a delight for him. He hates kids, generally, but she's creepy and doesn't blink and doesn't run around screaming all the time. He's enthralled by her; she creeps him out, which he basically takes as a perfectly logical reason for him to want to "adopt" her, so to speak. Chances are, he'll eventually grow bored of her; but until then, he's enamored with the novelty of keeping a kid.
	TOMMY GAVIN: Oh, lord. If Azula is the Joker's favorite playtoy, Tommy is his favorite punching bag. It's so easy to piss Tommy off that a man with no self-restraint can't resist harassing him. He loves leading Tommy astray whenever he can, and loves getting into fistfights, scuffles and brawls with the other man, verbal or physical. Because of this, he also has a weird desire to make sure Tommy is in good health. It's no fun harassing him if he's broken, after all. Mentally, though, the Joker can see the cracks, and he enjoys digging his fingers in there and prying. He'd probably do him, too, if it was worth it. (And let's face it, emotional scarring on that level? Yeah, it'd probably be worth it.)
	CAIN: Part of him thinks Cain is at least a vauluable tool to spread mass panic across the multiverse, but the majority of him knows that the man is nothing but trouble. He can sweet-talk the Joker all he wants, what with his destroying entire villages and blowing up Shinra and all that, but the second he started taking it out on Cuddy and, most importantly, Azula, the gloves came off. The Joker is just a possessive child, when you get down to it, and Cain was playing too rough with his toys. He's not about to stand for that.
	KUROUDO AKABANE: It's simple. Akabane wants to take his ~~new toy~~ new bundle of joy away from him. That's generally like wanting to take a bone away from a rabid dog.
	LARSA SOLIDOR: The Joker's only spoken to the kid a few times, but he just plain doesn't like Larsa. It's just a general irritation that he has with kids, coupled with the fact that he's always white-knighting for people the Joker loves to harass. That being said, if given the chance, he'd jump all over a chance to mess with the kid.
	SHELLY DE KILLER: It seems that every time he and the Joker talk, Shelly never fails to point out that the Joker needs a shrink. This puts him firmly in the Joker's, "Bitch, do not start, I will cut you" list. Of course, considering he has no other knowledge of who Shelly is, this is probably likely to change as soon as he finds some entertainment value.

If you want your character to be included on this chart, just let me know and thy will shalt be done. I'm terrible at keeping track of these things, so don't think I haven't included you because I don't think the CR is worth it; I just... forgot to do it. XD;

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From: (Anonymous)

First I think you play a great Joker. Being able to play such a character where he can interact with so many people is impressive.

I do feel that he's not quite right. I understand he's the kind of character where there is no real personality, or he flip flops and is just too much of a bat shit SOB to be anything near stable, but to me there feels like something is missing. Honestly he's just not frightening, he's more like an internet troll than a terrorist.

I think maybe you should try giving him a cause. In the movie I'm not sure what his cause was but he did have some sort of goal in mind. I guess Gotham, I don't know. I just feel his sinister edge has been lost and with it a large amount of his image as a comic and now movie icon. Especially in The Dark Knight he is a terrifying force and the fact that I feel my characters, from observation of him, would no longer consider him a true boogeyman or terrible threat is bad.

I hope this doesn't come off harsh. I do really enjoy stalking your Joker (forever now lolz) and even with this crit I think he's one of the fucking best I've seen.

From:

tntandgasoline

Thank you for your time! You have no idea how happy I am that someone's actually... giving me crit for him instead of just handwaving anything.

Yeah, I totally agree that he's not really that scary, and I do really want to make him more intimidating. The problem with playing a guy like Joker is that... well, you can't exactly go around killing other people's characters, or torturing them or anything like that. I'm actually pretty irritated at the fact that, because he can't actually go and start peeling people's nails off their fingers or something, people just kind of handwave his threats. I've tried to make him as intimidating as possible with the constraints formal RP puts on me, but it's... really hard XD

I've had him do a few NPC-affecting things, like the riots in Gotham and the blowing-up of Shinra's building, and I think I have an idea of his goals (lmao, seriously, he is impossible to figure out), but I do really want him to do more and, hopefully soon, I'll be able to do more of the NPC-affecting things, if not actual character-affecting things.

It's really hard on DDD to be a... villain, basically, because people get really uptight about that kind of stuff. I have had Joker stalk Tommy Gavin to the point where he showed up at his place to prove he could, and I do kind of play Joker with this feel that he can... do things, but I really do try to make him as intimidating as possible. I'll try to do more. Thank you so much for bringing it up.

(If you have any ideas for... you know, things that might make him more intimidating again, feel free to IM me or drop me a line here, too!)

PS: I'm awful with screened comments - if you want me to screen this stuff again, just let me know!

Edited Date: 2009-08-08 05:15 pm (UTC)

From: (Anonymous)

lol yeah, I totally see the issues here. With DDD it's hard to be a villain I think. It's the internet, Joker can't just go blow shit up when he needs to make a statement.

Some of the shit you did before, I remember something with a guy and getting his teeth pulled? See that sort of stuff was frightening to me. I think with the internet you need more personal frights like that, blowing up a building few people even know about is one thing, watching a man be tortured like that is much more intense for an internet viewer.

The things with Maggie and Lisa confuse me some. Maggie wasn't so bad but Lisa and Joker is strange to me. What's his goal exactly? I wouldn't call it ooc but confusing def.

(I'll try to think of some things, what about that plot that Crane's player posted about? lolz sorry though, shy anon is shy. Maybe another time.)

lolz it's good. I just checked and here it was so it works out

From:

tntandgasoline

Yeah, I really... enjoyed doing the teeth-pulling thing, if that doesn't sound too really fucked up lmao. It was fun to do that kind of stuff, that and the Christmas one are two I'm very proud of. The Shinra building actually has to do with his goal, which is the "redemption" of Gotham, in his mind. Basically, Rufus was in Gotham and he hates it when people move in on his territory like that.

Maggie was a one time thing to fuck with her and Tommy because neither of them really took her seriously, especially Tommy. The way it was handled afterward has been confusing to me too, personally, but Joker's the kinda guy who goes along with it. Besides, it's not... much fun to play a serious character in a cracky RP like this, so I personally enjoy it when Maggie blindsides him with flirtations and stuff. I have a lot of stuff worked out about him in my head that I will eventually write down, but it makes... sense to me. I can see why it may be confusing, though.

Lisa... hahaha, believe me, you'd think it's very strange but Joker has a reason for it, I promise. It'll probably blow up in his face, but there's a reason why he's so nice to her. I won't say much because I like keeping some stuff secret, but it has a lot to do with how he ended up being BFF with Harvey.

From: (Anonymous)

That's a great goal. I guess the hardest point would be having a plot and goal that would involve the com. The Bat cast is excellent so it would be easy to just get sucked in with them, so try not to. I see a lot of casts get really cliquey and it's a shame for the rest of the com.

The whole plot with Maggie made sense. I guess my crit is more to Maggie since she seems too unfazed by what happens. Anyway as for Lisa I'll trust that here. I just thought he'd get bored of her much more quickly and she seems just too normal to handle him. Like I said I don't know, just be careful with them? Harvey was weird to me at first too but watching the development curbed any doubts I had.

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This is probably the wrong place for this but I didn't see an OOC contact post soooooooooo

After his last conversation with her, Azula has decided that it would not be in her best interests for the Joker to go on living. Permission to have her worldhop to Gotham to try to seek him out and kill him? I obviously won't say that she did anything without your okay, though if you want to do a confrontation I'd totally be up for that (Azula's holycrapawesome at hand-to-hand combat, but I'm guessing the Joker has weapons of his own to counter that).

TL;DR AZULA WANTS TO FUCK HIS SHIT UP; THOUGHTS?

From:

tntandgasoline

You can use this for whatever man, it all works.

Ummmm SOUNDS GOOD TO ME I mean somebody's gotta try and off him right? I'm a little incoherent right now but I'd be down for them... having some kind of confrontation.

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Awesome 8) You can let me know whenever's good for you? I'll be around.

From:

tntandgasoline

Would sometime after the first - the 2nd or 3rd or w/e - be good for you?

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peoplesprincess.livejournal.com

Sure! 8]

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peoplesprincess.livejournal.com

... Hahaha now I'm looking back and remembering this, and while they've fought Azula never SERIOUSLY attempted to kill him... SO UH, DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT SOMETIME Y/N

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capslockk.livejournal.com

we need a scheme for these two.

like a huge frickin' massacre.

... after they meet, of course. C:

From:

tntandgasoline

you know i would say yes except i have to say it like

~~~YES~~~

Because I have a feeling when they meet face to face there's definitely going to be some kind of... blood...Bath. Possibly a shower.

Edited Date: 2010-01-22 09:55 am (UTC)

From:

capslockk.livejournal.com

LOL THEN I GUESS I'LL SAY MY YAY LIKE

???? xD

Blood bath sounds eerily wonderful to me, in a sadistic sort of way. Because we all know that da Jokah always brings around a knife or two or a million. And Patrick wouldn't be caught dead out in the open without something to use to murder someone. C:

Maybe a worldhop and two taxis later, Patrick just happens to, oh, I don't know, go into a restaurant owned by Wayne Enterprises, and uh idk the joker blows something up like a nearby building and pat just HAS to murder some of the survivors? 8DDD?? i'm so brain-dead right now it's not even funny

From:

tntandgasoline

His pockets are black holes that reach into universes made of knives. Basically.

LMAO he does seem like the kind of guy who'd like the Ocelot. Joker would be more likely to invite him to dinner and then stage some kind of large hostage situation. Unless Patrick doesn't like running and car chases, then he'd be nice and get the phone lines cut first so they could take their time.

From:

capslockk.livejournal.com

That's actually a little scary. A knife-universe. But I'm sure the Joker would be happy there.

WELL, IT'S VERY PLAUSIBLE, DON'T YOU THINK? And inviting Pat to dinner? Why, that would be very strange for him to receive such an invitation from a man! Who he, uh, met on the internet. But the Jokester interests him, so, idc. :D

Running and car chases aren't really his thing, but it would be a welcome change. I think he'd find it somewhat-exciting, but a little bothersome. Then again, the guy has sex with his victims. The car chase might be an okay distraction. xD

From:

tntandgasoline

Well, Joker's invitations usually get lost in the mail, so it's more like a business venture. Really. Besides, Joker gets the best seat in the house every time, and isn't that what Patrick likes? (Sure, he usually has to run people out before he gets it, but that's how Gotham works.) And hey, maybe he'd convince Harvey to come along. It's not gay if there's three guys instead of just two, right?

I'm sure the sound of Gotham PD at the door would motivate Patrick to run. Otherwise, there's that breaking-out-of-jail thing, which Joker's great at, and all, but he might be too lazy to help Patrick out... Then again, he does love a good breakout.

Also, I'm off to bed (3:50AM here), so I'll tag you tomorrow. :)

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capslockk.livejournal.com

Haha, hell to the yes. Patrick likes things that cost money, and I.. don't think he'd care if the Joker had to do 'stuff' to get those seats. He might just ask him for tips on how to do that. God knows Pat wants to get into Dorsia. :P

ALSO OH MY GOD HARVEY. HARVEY TWO-FACE DENT XDDDDD
that would be, like, the most hilarious night of my life.
errrrrr my rp!life with patrick
but if rachel is there and she happens to explode, too
that would be great :DDDDDD /shot for evil thoughts

I think Patrick would be confused like "they never believed me before, wtf are they doing now" o___o because he's told people he's crazy, but...

haha i'm so brain-dead after watching this bale!movie where he died n___n

but that would be unexplainably cool. having a dinner with the joker and all. >.> i'm jealous.

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